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ben si, dans tout les cas tu modifies la courbe SPL du HP unique. 

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* Measurement data measured by REW V5.20.13 * Source: Microphone (5- USB Audio CODEC ), MICROPHONE (Volume principal), R, volume: 0,650 * Format: 512k Log Swept Sine, 1 sweep at -12,0 dBFS with no timing reference * Dated: 24 août 2023 15:53:39 * REW Settings: *  C-weighting compensation: Off *  Target level: 75.0 dB * Note: Axe droite prox * Measurement: août 24 * Smoothing: 1/6 octave * Frequency Step: 96 ppo * Start Frequency: 0.3364563 Hz * * Freq(Hz) SPL(dB) Phase(degrees) 0.336456 10.044 -179.0101 0.338894 10.033 -178.9991 0.341350 10.020 -178.9844 0.343824 10.003 -178.9662 0.346315 9.983 -178.9449 0.348825 9.961 -178.9209 0.351352 9.938 -178.8946 0.353898 9.912 -178.8662 0.356463 9.885 -178.8361 0.359046 9.857 -178.8045 0.361648 9.828 -178.7714 0.364269 9.799 -178.7371 0.366908 9.768 -178.7017 0.369567 9.738 -178.6652 0.372245 9.706 -178.6277 0.374942 9.675 -178.5891 0.377659 9.643 -178.5496 0.380396 9.611 -178.5092 0.383153 9.578 -178.4677 0.385929 9.545 -178.4252 0.388726 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Cdt.

Bonjour Boris,

Pour utiliser un simulateur tel Xsim ou VituiCad de manière fiable, en passif, il faut présenter au logiciel une courbe SPL MAG/PHASE ainsi qu'une mesure d'impédance de type .ZMA valide
(obligatoire).


Il y a une relation intime entre courbe d'impédance électrique et réponse SPL du HP au-dessus de 200 Hz, là où il n'y a plus trop d'influence du type de charge sur la réponse. Utiliser un simulateur sans la courbe d'impédance (et utiliser le placebo " default 8 ohm resistive ") casse cette relation, et ne donnera pas de résultats concluants.


Pour affecter la réponse SPL de manière à la fois audible et visible aux mesures, il faudrait présenter au HP des valeurs de réseau RC compensateur d'impédance particulièrement "tordues", faisant plonger la courbe d'impédance résultante Zmin bien en-dessous du minima donné par le constructeur pour le HP nu (e.g. 2 Ohms)

Cependant, en couplage avec un ampli à tubes d’impédance de sortie relativement élevée, un réseau RC particulièrement bien calculé est nécessaire afin de ne pas obtenir trop de déviation de réponse SPL. Mais si cette dernière est présente, et que ça "arrange" les choses, ça peut être un pansement sur une jambe de bois, et éventuellement améliorer l'écoute ... mais là on est dans les worst case des worst case ... Autant se tenir si possible à distance de ce type d' "artifice"  

crdt

Salut RM8,

Ne détournes pas mon affirmation par condescendance comme tu sais faire  

ZMA ou pas, tu auras le même résultat, à partir du moment où tu intègres un circuit impédant aux bornes du HP, tu modifies  SPL et impédance, c'est un fait !! 
Quand on rajoute un simple circuit de type RLC aux bornes d'un HP, qu'il soit //, série etc......... tu modifies tout ./

La seule manière de modifier l'impédance sans modifier la courbe SPL du HP est d'intégrer un circuit RLC correcteur d'impédance en amont de ton filtre, c'est tout. 

Tu pourras le vérifier sur Virtuix, d'autre part, Virtuix ne simule pas un circuit résistif de 8 ou 4 Ohms mais un circuit impédant de 4 ou 8 Ohms linéaire  

L'apport d'une courbe d'impédance (ZMA ou autre) amène plus (+) de précision pour le choix de valeurs des divers composant passif comme résistance, condensateur ou self, c'est tout.

Dans notre cas, on essaie pas d'enculer les mouches mais d'avoir une approche pragmatique vérifiable  

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